Question for Rosemarie (from page 1) -- I am curious, what would you say is the "whopping big difference" between "living under the GB's rules & Jesus' rules"...?
Muddy Waters
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No more pain sorrow or crying in new system!!!!!!!
by atomant in"and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain.
for the old world and its evils are gone forever.
" rev.
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The wt has now changed Jesus definition of neighboor
by poopie inthe man asked jesus who is my neighbor jesus stated the one who acts mercifully toward other humans.
not good enough for watchtower neighbor must fit in three catagories only according to yesterdays wt wow changed the words of the son of god.
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Muddy Waters
Lana, I would love to hear your answer to Konceptual99, on page 3. And to hear you explain what it means when Jesus says to "love your neighbour".
Las a JW, I believed that when Jesus spoke about feeding the hungry, clothing the needy, providing refreshment for those who were thirsty, it meant all this is a "spiritual" fulfillment. Yet the man in the parable provided literal comfort and care.
If a JW practiced what the WT really means by acts of kindness and charity, he would be stepping over the injured man laying on the road, but carefully placing a tract or some literature beside him, before carrying on their way.
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What I thought CLAM meant , can you think of anymore ?
by smiddy infor a while there i was confused as to what clam stood for .. ideas that crossed my mind .
christ left a ministry , or meeting .
children`s lives are mine .....( pedo`s in the borg ).
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CLAM - "C (See) Lett And Morris" (make fools of themselves!) -
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JW Expressions We Hate
by Socrateswannabe ini was browsing through stuff on jw.org recently and ran across some expressions that really grate on my nerves: loyal love, loving-care, and loving-kindness, as in: "please exercise loving-kindness toward your servant.
" who talks like that?
they must be relics of the fred franz era.
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Muddy Waters
"Good morning! Nice to find you home today. We're talking with our neighbours today about...."
"The Governing Body loves you...."
"Are you whole-souled? Or is there a *hole* in your soul?"
... (ha, these next three are fun to read in order!)
".... lusting over..."
"Jehovah and his earthly organization /representatives"
"... whose genitals were like horses and their emissions like donkeys..."
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Muddy Waters
Ha, so true, MC. I wondered about this too. Why would so many people rebel?? It didn't make sense that so many of our "brothers and sisters" living in a beautiful paradise would want to side with Satan.
... Stupid teachings and philosophies of men which made no sense....
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Muddy Waters
*bumping* for a good laugh to start the day (or to have in the middle of the day) or to complete your day, lol, depending what time zone you are in. :)
LOVE the comments and every one's sense of humour! Bless you all. :)
(I don't mean bless in the religious sense. So DONE with that! But you are all blessings to me, thank you. :) -
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Just realized this recently - as a JW, I never "owned" any of my accomplishments or talents & abilities....
by Muddy Waters injust realized this recently - as a jw, i never "owned" any of my accomplishments or talents & abilities....we were always told how we are nothing, just specks of dust, grasshoppers, worms.... lowly, despicable sinners in need of redemption, born into sin & misery, constantly facing temptations that we could never handle on our own but only with "jehovah's help"... so we were continually marginalized, all our abilities and talents... they would even quote scriptures that said things like "why should we boast as if we didn't receive these abilities..?
"it was a weird mentally psychotic dichotomy -- being told we were worthless sinners, undeserving of god's kindness -- and on the other hand being the only ones who would survive the great day of jehovah the almighty god at armageddon.
(well, probably, maybe, if we did enough and *kept* doing enough...)so we didn't "own" any of our abilities and accomplishments.
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Another thing -- because I realize that these abilities, talents, accomplishments, etc., are *mine*, it makes me more aware of how precious they are.
It's like how now, when we know that the religion is a lie, and we do not have all the answers, it makes us *more humble*. We are ever more interested in other people's ideas, philosophies and ways of coping or dealing with the ups and downs of life. We begin to connect with other people. And we value and appreciate OTHER people's accomplishments and talents and hard work more, too.
The "world" recognizes this, in the respect given to people who are experts in their field, or who have various degrees and education, etc.I am finally realizing this too. (I might be a little slow, lol ...God, it takes a looooong time for mind control to wear off and to rejoin humanity!!)
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Just realized this recently - as a JW, I never "owned" any of my accomplishments or talents & abilities....
by Muddy Waters injust realized this recently - as a jw, i never "owned" any of my accomplishments or talents & abilities....we were always told how we are nothing, just specks of dust, grasshoppers, worms.... lowly, despicable sinners in need of redemption, born into sin & misery, constantly facing temptations that we could never handle on our own but only with "jehovah's help"... so we were continually marginalized, all our abilities and talents... they would even quote scriptures that said things like "why should we boast as if we didn't receive these abilities..?
"it was a weird mentally psychotic dichotomy -- being told we were worthless sinners, undeserving of god's kindness -- and on the other hand being the only ones who would survive the great day of jehovah the almighty god at armageddon.
(well, probably, maybe, if we did enough and *kept* doing enough...)so we didn't "own" any of our abilities and accomplishments.
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Just realized this recently - as a JW, I never "owned" any of my accomplishments or talents & abilities....
We were always told how we are nothing, just specks of dust, grasshoppers, worms.... lowly, despicable sinners in need of redemption, born into sin & misery, constantly facing temptations that we could never handle on our own but only with "Jehovah's help"...
So we were continually marginalized, all our abilities and talents... they would even quote scriptures that said things like "why should we boast as if we didn't receive these abilities..?"
It was a weird mentally psychotic dichotomy -- being told we were worthless sinners, undeserving of God's kindness -- and on the other hand being the ONLY ONES who would survive the great day of Jehovah the Almighty God at Armageddon. (well, probably, maybe, if we did enough and *kept* doing enough...)
So we didn't "own" any of our abilities and accomplishments. If we were good at something, it was because of a special blessing or gift from Jehovah. We were never to "think more of ourselves than necessary".
FINALLY, at over 50 years of age, I am finally recognizing that all the difficult or challenging things I have accomplished or done, was because I did it. I had the ability.
(Yes, there may be a possibility that there is a divine person out there somewhere who bestows blessings, but the universe seems more and more impersonal and random. I am leaning more and more toward atheism every day.... So many things don't make sense.)As a JW, I had the assurance that I had practically ALL the answers to every perplexing question and full confidence in those answers. Any questions unanswered were not important, they would all be answered in due time or "in the new system".
I marginalized so many things.... and now I realize they were important!!! This was *MY LIFE* -- but my talents and time and all my abilities were to somehow bring glory to God now in some way (in the ministry) or in some future far away (paradise). A person was living a life deferred.
I see the things I have done and accomplished, and some were very hard & difficult, yet all glory went to Jehovah -- I was nothing. Just a worm, plodding along, doing what I was supposed to do.
...So... the thing is.... is that now I realize just how "on our own" we really are. All our talents and abilities are OURS. We are gifted (whether by a god or a universe, or heritage of genetics, or pairings of various particles and quantum things, who the heck knows...) and we stand on our OWN.
And we can actually feel PROUD of our abilities and talents. We can OWN them. We are unique and wonderful, amazing individuals.
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Muddy Waters
Good question. Once upon a time there were types and anti-types and learning what things symbolized.... (temple, the curtain, most holy of holies, palm branches, ark with doves and/or special candle holders.... covenants, prophecies... beasts and dreams... numbers and significances of... New Jerusalem and Jerusalem above and whatever the hell.... and on & on it went, ad nauseum, to the nth degree..... )
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New Field Service Report
by cognac inhas anyone seen this?
when did that happen?.
http://www.jw-archive.org/post/137681838624/new-service-report-jwinspirational.
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Muddy Waters
It's all about placing their (mostly visual now) propaganda and counting your time. Then, lastly, counting all or any "bible studies" .
And that's it! No more listing of physical literature placed, whether books, tracts, or magazines and how many... (I almost said 'bibles' but remembered that their previous field service report form never had a column for bibles either!)
This form seems like a survey in a way, yet with the goal of promoting their website and visual presentations.